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[Harm]

This is a discussion, which was already led in the German Community. Nobody must spend real money to have success.
As Kaleu you carry the responsibility for your boat and your crew.

[Klingsor]

Will do... can you give me a sub to test your theory?

You're out of boats? Impossible.
If there is an uncompleted left in bunker take all parts you need out of it and scrap it.
If there a 0 boats go to shop and buy one for free.

[Azmodan]

Sometimes I think some players want to take all reality off game. Boat lost means on sea bottom, who can repair it?
Boat lost why? Rammed? Fail of capt'n. Gratification would be court martial, not a new boat.
Here in game you get (!) a filled new boat for free to earn points for new boats, technologies, ammo... any wishes left?

Write it into your complete guide, please, No. 1: "You are in dangerous waters! Drive carefully."

the fact that u can save your sub with gold (real money) totally invalidates your point.

so this is just a pay2win scenario..one that ubisoft is all to well known to do.
sad really....

This is a discussion, which was already led in the German Community. Nobody must spend real money to have success.
As Kaleu you carry the responsibility for your boat and your crew.

to loose all your progress in a moment (this is a war game with the other side trying to kill you - and they will do that sometimes, otherwise the game is too easy) and being able to save it only for real money ... is PAY2WIN.
this is not anno online where u cannot die and money will only speed you along. here u can die, the game tries to kill you, so being able to save your progress only with real money is total crap.

[Harm]

I play SHO since the beginning of closed beta and in this time I lost no boat. This is the meaning of " As Kaleu you carry the responsibility for your boat and your crew."

If you lost your boat and your crew, you don't lost your experience points, prestige or gold. And if you lost all your boats, you get a new boat called "Hilfsboot" from BB.

If there a 0 boats go to shop and buy one for free.

[Puman]

Anyone recommend a good subscription based game, preferably one that is difficult, complicated and painful. That tends to filter out the pond life.

I'm probably not allowed to advertise here, but since I happen to know just the thing if you want difficult (most players stay in newbietown for their own safety...), complicated (realistic economy and tons of strange options and variants of play, good AI), painful (takes months to build a character and in a random unlucky move they can permanently die) and subscriptionbased, try Darkwind.

Oh, and all that I described was before the developer introduced an even harsher version of the game...

I might add that the game has a rather thin player base, not all that many people enjoy difficult, complicated and painful as leisure.

Hmm, perhaps this did not turn out an advertisement after all

[The_Director]

Well lets slow down here.

In TSO i always did my best to provide clear facts, unbiased or completely biased on me. (that way i can take the blame for a fault)

So lets see what we don't like:

1. There are ammo types that are premium only.

2. There are AA guns and other modifications that are premium only.

3. This game has a very narrow player base, we want the game to stop trying to please the masses and focus on us, the players who actually like this kind of game.

As always this list can go on forever. let me condense it to this simple phrase:

"For the player not against. Free for all, or free for none. This is the never ending balance, get it right and you have a happy player. get it wrong and you lose the game entirely."
- T_D

As a Closed Beta player, i have played in perhaps hundreds of Betas, i have seen the best and absolute worst ways a game can be created.

Now i would like to add a little clause to what i said, i have played for less than a week, i have yet to thread myself into the fabric of the game, so i may easily be wrong on what i have said so far, we will all see.

[Harm]

1. There are ammo types that are premium only.

2. There are AA guns and other modifications that are premium only.

The question is whether you really needs it. I needed it in 7 months never.

[minischitt]

No. Sorry. That's it for me. I recognize a blatant money making mechanic when I see one. This game unfortunately is going to have all the faults of the F2P model which is blighting the online gaming world. I'm not interested in sticking around, and I will certainly. not be paying another micro-transaction in any game.
Your player-base, if you ever get one, is going to be the two types of people who this model attracts. (I am pausing here in real life, as I search for words that don't appear too insulting. experience of F2P games makes this hard.).
People who have no access to any kind of money at all, and who are looking for a free game to play. I think you know that by this I mean hordes of schoolchildren, annoying, dumb and tolerated by Devs because as any parent knows, once they are allowed to start playing because 'Daddy it;'s FREE!' quickly begin begging Mummy to buy them a new Ship/Gun/Hat because 'ALL MY FRIENDS HAVE ONE!!!'.
People with money but no lives, boring people, people who are bad at games, but who are willing to spend the money they have no one else to spend on, into aquiring every single little item that pops up in the online store. I know by experience that spending time playing a game with these losers is to invite suicidal/murderous thoughts. Really, they are people who I would have no time for in my offline life, and it's just depressing to be around them even online.
Anyone recommend a good subscription based game, preferably one that is difficult, complicated and painful. That tends to filter out the pond life.

i dont get it... what is the matter with you guys, you get a game to play FOR FREE and yes, you can play it to the end FOR FREE subscribtion games cost you ahlluvalot more than you would spend in SHO. and what what goes for the annoying and dumb kids..... RAISE THEM PROBERLY and that will not be a problem any more.

[The_Director]

The question is whether you really needs it. I needed it in 7 months never.

sorry, was just trying to give examples of issues players see.

[The_Director]

i dont get it... what is the matter with you guys, you get a game to play FOR FREE and yes, you can play it to the end FOR FREE subscribtion games cost you ahlluvalot more than you would spend in SHO. and what what goes for the annoying and dumb kids..... RAISE THEM PROBERLY and that will not be a problem any more.

Now i don't see your point.

try avoiding rage. (and caps lock)

Please remember, we wont/dont pay money for a free game unless it is good. if i was to play this game and i hated it, chances are good i wont pay for better content.

Good game = money. In Order to have my money = Good Game. Think on that for a bit